Well, that was … an experience.

January 23, 2010 at 10:42 am (althattery) (, , , , , , , )

I am no longer pure DPS*. It figures, just yesterday, I was talking about talking about tanks vs. DPS, from a pure-DPS perspective, and now here I am a day later, having tanked**. Yes, if you go “wtf Math” you’re not the only one.
…It was also dealing with Looking For Dungeon people. Yes, if you go “oh, joy“, you’re not the only one.

So, it starts innocuously enough. My buddy Temnyi (no. I don’t know how to pronounce it, either) started playing WoW again; and I got him to roll on Azgalor. Wham, a two weeks later, he’s 49. Been levelling my Paladin, and she’s 53, so we decide to run the last chunk of Maraudon. Almost immediately I’m all but ripping off the bear, but he says my damage is easy to heal through. While this is going on, we’re talking in whispers, and I joke that I should ret tank the place. I ALMOST tossed on Righteous Wrath and was gonna rip everything to see how it went (Which happened anyway when we went balls out on the last boss) – but it felt like it’d’ve been rude to the bear, so I tried to watch my threat.

You know what my #1 thought on Ret Paladins in instances is? I. REALLY. Miss. Feign. Death.

Afterwards, I asked if he thought he could keep me alive ret tanking. Getting an affirmative, we queued for Sunken Temple, and I slapped on the higher-def, higher-stam helm that I got off a Mara boss. This … would be fun.

And you know? It was, and it wasn’t. I got a lot of what you’d expect from the LFD queue.

Plus, it was Sunken Temple. I’ve been here before ONCE. Eighteen months ago. Fuck, I could have sired two children and taught them to yell “ATTAAAAAACK” over vent in the time that’s past since I last set FOOT in The Temple Of Atal’Hakar. And it’s kind of a maze with some thing that needs to be done in VERY SPECIFIC ORDER.

We had one dps who knew the place, and Temnynol knew the place. They argued sometimes on which way to go like quibbling cats, but we got everything done.
That was the mage, and he was constantly riding me, the newbie tank, to go go go go go.
We had the warrior who would charge mobs, and me imagining him calling RAAAGH I ARE ARMS TANK.
We also had a dps randomly leave early on without a word, and then a replacement shaman. We spent about five, ten minutes trying to meet up because VANILLA DEVS LOEV MAZE, and then get back on the road.
Temnynol is fun, though, and a fine healer. 🙂

In fact, the warrior was pulling the minibosses. Or even packs of mobs. By charge. After running ahead of me (yes, I have Pursuit of Justice, but I was also being tentative). I wanted to let him die, I poked Tem that we should have let him die, but he said it would reflect badly on him and his professionalism, and y’know? I can understand and get behind that. I would have let him die, though. I’ll have to set some rules when I keep tanking.

After the lower half, Temn DCs, and we argue. Being my friend and guildie, I want to wait to see if he comes back, the rest of the group wants to gogogogo, eventually he gets kicked and we get a new healer. The three “dps” keep pushing ahead with no healer, I’m waiting on a healer. I have some cross words with the mage for rushing me, but I over-reacted – newbishness at work! – we hash it out, I apologize, we smooth things over.

We get a healer, we go through the MAZE AND DANCE of meeting up, and it turns out this healer … charges in faster than the warrior to attack mobs. Because they’re enhance. Queued as heals. Erhm. Yeah. Well, that was an experience! At least I didn’t die, and it was pretty quick – we were, after all, ALL FIVE OF US DPS SPEC.

After a lot of AoE pulls and mayhem we clear the upper level, I almost ding to 54, fun times are had, and I have tanked for the first time. It was certainly an experience. I think I need to look into some Tank UI mods, though; things like to know when someone else has agro, etc etc. Anyone who has newb tank UI and play advice, I would welcome it OH so very much. 🙂

Here’s to the adventure of tanking! Let’s hope I don’t get too many splats, and can even be half the tank I am a dps; I’d be happier with 95%, but even 50% would be good.

*Well … There’s Beardy. My first character ever was a warrior, in vanilla WoW. When they really were only tanks. He got to 22. I did not care for it. Though I love Beardy <3. I dunno if that counts or not, though.

**…Well, does ret tanking really count as tanking?

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Aww, I missed the leading edge of the tank/healer brouhaha.

January 22, 2010 at 9:21 am (Uncategorized) (, , , , , )

Oh well!

So aparently, while I was slacking off, a small little WoWgument broke out over some guy’s post with his assertions that tanks and healers a) are more integral to progress than dps, and b) thus deserve preferential treatment and additional rewards. I heard it via reading Ky’s reply, over at Casual Hardcore.

Now, ‘unfortunately’, this hit the blogorum over two weeks ago, and even Ky’s post was three and change days ago, so plenty of posts in reply and comments have hashed and bashed this, and I missed out. I am currently a sad little spacegoat with a pout because I didn’t get to be all topical on this topic. Though it is kind of amusing, as over the past couple days, both ignorant of this, Atropus and I have been kicking the idea around. He contends that DPS is the most important role in a current-content raid, though I maintain that they’re all equally important. If any of these three components functioning are functioning below par, the group will fail.

Rule 4) Pay attention. If you die in a fight because you weren’t paying attention or weren’t listening, you will be called out for it. It is not a healer’s job to keep a dps alive if that dps is just being foolish. It is not a tank’s job to keep threat off a dps if they aren’t bothering to use their own threat control measures.

I’ve been in that guild. I’ve been in a guild that really did bring in the loot council to override dkp by saying that if a tank or healer wanted something in new content, dps couldn’t bid. I’ve been in a guild that wiped repeatedly on Thaddius, but still, priority went to tanks and healers even though we were dying on enrages. All of this gets my middle finger.

Basically, everything that I have to say has already been said, I just wanted to express my own D: over this whole thing. Though it amuses me – it seems only some tanks and some healers agree with the thesis, while no dps seems to; meanwhile all dps BUT ALSO AND many tanks AND many healers disagree with it.

In fact, outside of the one time I tried Trial of the Grand Crusader, the vast majority of wipes I’ve seen in Ulduar, in Trial of the Crusader, and even in Icecrown Citadel, haven’t been from the gear of anyone, especially not healers and tanks. Wipes are generally because we tried to do it wrong (21 man Marrowgar, use two tanks on Patchwerk 25, etc), someone made a mistake (standing in something glowing on the floor, crossing the streams, etc), or because dps didn’t put out enough numbers. While there’s a huge component of competency to putting out maximal dps, only one of these problems, with them taken as current content, is gear related. Hint: it’s not one dealing with healers or with tanks. Iron Council stands out as an exception, but that’s Iron Council.

In Summary: I appreciate my tanks. I appreciate my healers. I don’t appreciate the attitudes some of them get, or trying to write me and my fellow great dps – or even just my dps brethren in general – as less vital to the raid effort, and I certainly don’t appreciate the condescension. Frankly, if any of us want prog, we all need each other. So…

Tread light… lest we unionize. o/

(Incidentally, this is my first post with the “beware: opinions!” tag, but as time goes on I’ll probably post quite a few more of them, especially as Cataclysm draws near. I can be a bit vocal and outspoken at times; but if people disagree with me – my email is public (or it should be), and I will approve any comment posts – speak up! I welcome it.)

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